Mathew Hillier 5:04 PM greetings to those just arriving.... please check your audio via : Tools > Audio > Audio set-up wizard often people dont want to use it 5:04 PM Lynne Taylerson 5:04 PM Very low participation bhavani sridharan 5:04 PM not moderated Keely Laycock 5:04 PM lack of participation Frank 3 5:04 PM Can be overwhelming Meg Rosse 5:04 PM nobody responded Astrid 5:04 PM too general Karen 5:04 PM flat question Phil Nicholls 1 5:04 PM wait for others to post first, or never contribute Ruth Laxton 5:05 PM not assessable wont do it Anne Williams 5:05 PM too many students responding David Campbell 5:05 PM Yes, student don't interact. Deb Hine 5:05 PM some students very dominant Keely Laycock 5:05 PM low numbers Paul B 5:05 PM Drinking from a fire hose Joey 5:05 PM students discussing something else Meg Rosse 5:05 PM timimg of forum was wrong Keely Laycock 5:05 PM they have too much other to do Sue B1 5:05 PM anxious to have others view their response Deb Hine 5:05 PM students wanted to use for personal conversations as well Keely Laycock 5:05 PM no incentives Phil Nicholls 1 5:06 PM we assessed participation Angela Short 5:06 PM Lurkers, reading not posting Sally Jordan 5:07 PM Or instead of classroom time? (in distance learning) Keely Laycock 5:08 PM yes Phil Nicholls 1 5:08 PM yes Karen 5:08 PM yes Ruth Laxton 5:08 PM yes Frank 3 5:08 PM Yes Laura ZHOU 5:08 PM yes Angela Short 5:08 PM yes Kerrie 5:08 PM yes Somallon 5:08 PM yes Keely Laycock 5:08 PM yes Greg 1 5:08 PM yep Karen 5:08 PM yes Kerrie 5:08 PM yes Ruth Laxton 5:08 PM yes Mathew Hillier 5:08 PM quite smooth here Lynne Taylerson 5:08 PM Yes VG Frank 3 5:08 PM Yes Angela Short 5:08 PM yes Laura ZHOU 5:08 PM work well Somallon 5:13 PM no quite Debbi Weaver 5:16 PM Are the reflections public to other students? Paul B 5:16 PM TLA? Deb Murdoch 1 5:16 PM do you have the opportunity to mark onlin instead of getting them to submit in word? hamid 5:16 PM Are there threads per group? or per topic? kevin brace 5:16 PM How can you ensure that they engage with the forums? Charlotte STEER 5:16 PM TLA= teaching and learning activity ie forum posting Rebecca H (IBO) 5:16 PM no, happy to see it used in the way that I am trying to introduce it in IB, although I do not have the online element. Meg Rosse 5:16 PM cushion week? how does that go is it just for people who are extra keen? Sue B1 5:17 PM what is a Word blog? do you mean using Blogger? Maria Fernandez-Toro 5:17 PM Here forum discussions are initiates from a lecture, do you ever tip it the other way round so that students start the discussion? Brian Mulheran 5:17 PM How do you ensure they dont write the cumulative reflection only at the end of the semester? Sue B1 5:17 PM ta Paul B 5:17 PM What is critical size for your forum group? Hartmut Scherer 1 5:17 PM Do students get confused with the cushion week and the new forum starting at the same time? Charlotte STEER 5:17 PM and how big is too big Paul B 5:18 PM size info is gold dust. thanks Charlotte STEER 5:18 PM 5-8 is recommended no of students for groups Keely Laycock 5:19 PM how long are the courses? Anne Williams 5:19 PM Have you used it in intensive courses e.g. two weeks long? Keely Laycock 5:19 PM thanks Rebecca H (IBO) 5:19 PM How do you grade the reflection blog? Deb Hine 5:19 PM is grading about participation? Content driven? Charlotte STEER 5:20 PM what subject do you teach? Karen 5:20 PM do you use peer review for grading or formative assessment Meg Rosse 5:20 PM reflections shared maybe different to reflections that are private (?) Paul B 5:20 PM So if group size 5-8 what is max class size that is manageale? Charlotte STEER 5:20 PM so these are stusdents not in their first years of university, so may be well motivated Paul B 5:21 PM more gold dust .... Rebecca H (IBO) 5:21 PM So do others/examiners grade the blog? Charlotte STEER 5:21 PM and UCroo can be used to set up study groups now Mary kennedy-Jones 5:21 PM x Phil Nicholls 1 5:21 PM we use grading criteria sent out in advance Deb Hine 5:22 PM that is a good idea as it helps students respond appropriately Paul B 5:22 PM So with 140 students how many of "you" (i.e. lecturer plus TAs) Mathew Hillier 5:22 PM yep Kerrie 5:22 PM yes Sue B1 5:22 PM yep Anne Williams 5:22 PM is this 100% of the assessment for the course? Somallon 5:23 PM At 30% do they really try? Charlotte STEER 5:23 PM my course had 20% for a weekly forum post that was an answer to a legal problem question Rebecca H (IBO) 5:23 PM is critical refelction also assessed in the other 70%? Paul B 5:23 PM recorder = cruel and unusual parental punishment Charlotte STEER 5:23 PM no sorry every week for 12 weeks strings = cruel and unusual punishment for parents 5:24 PM Charlotte STEER 5:26 PM and challenging teacher or authority in public is really rude, according to my HK students in australia - so they always approach me after class, so it must be confronting to be forced to post publicly? Keely Laycock 5:29 PM so they are in class physically but working online? Paul B 5:30 PM I think physically earlier and then online later Keely Laycock 5:30 PM so they know each other? Charlotte STEER 5:31 PM and brant said earlier that he starts the discussion briefly face to face in class, then gets them to continue online out of class Keely Laycock 5:31 PM social presence/identity is not such an issue then. Rebecca H (IBO) 5:31 PM Do you give examples of transformative thinking so the students can recognise it, or even know what you are talking about? Sue B1 5:32 PM agree re pics Charlotte STEER 5:33 PM have u written in one of your articles about sample "transformative" questions? Keely Laycock 5:33 PM Do you change the groups? Deb Hine 5:33 PM how do you manage the highly dysfunctional group? Sue B1 5:33 PM signs of dysfunction? Paul B 5:33 PM Playing the recorder Charlotte STEER 5:34 PM haha read my mind Lynne Taylerson 5:34 PM How are they 'allowed' to ask inter-group questions - does this not break the system down? Meg Rosse 5:35 PM what range of subjects/discipline areas have you used with i.e. worth 30%? Lynne Taylerson 5:35 PM Thanks, that will work well Mathew Hillier 5:36 PM it reflects the real classroom! Paul B 5:36 PM Excellent - so groups are "private" but "not private" Maria Fernandez-Toro 5:36 PM You said the groups were 'semi-private'. How does hat work? Charlotte STEER 5:36 PM There is a step here that was missing in my weekly forum postings - each student posted their own answer, occasionally responding with praise to another student, but not building on each others. This was a problem with the course design and student instructions, that did not require them to build on each others. Comment on how to help them do this? Ken 5:36 PM do you allow students to break off and join or form new groups mid-term? Hartmut Scherer 1 5:36 PM Can students also post in other groups and will they be graded for this? Maria Fernandez-Toro 5:36 PM The question is key Charlotte STEER 5:37 PM "transactive interchange" = Q and A to go deeper into topic and build on own experiences Ken 5:38 PM remarkable difference Paul B 5:39 PM So is this "learning analytics"? I've heard the buzzword but not dug deeper Deb Hine 5:39 PM several groups appear to have one "leader" member Debbi Weaver 5:39 PM these graphs are great for seeing what is happening within groups Paul B 5:39 PM So Moodle does that graph out of the box? Charlotte STEER 5:39 PM Do they complain that it is too hard to stay on top of the multiple discussion roups, like people do in MOOC's? If so, what strataegies do u recommentd to help students manage? Keely Laycock 5:39 PM do any students drop out? Ken 5:39 PM have noticed this in all groups...eventually a "leader" emerges and becomes the go-to Deb Hine 5:40 PM yes agree Ken Sue B1 5:40 PM red not getting their group needs met Keely Laycock 5:41 PM yes please - where? Lynne Taylerson 5:41 PM Do you show these analytics to students where groups don't 'click'? Charlotte STEER 5:41 PM Paul B, read "7 things to know about learning analytics" EDUCAUSE Learning Initiative.: 7 Things you should know about ANALYTICS, Available from http://net.educause.edu/ir/library/pdf/ELI7059.pdf (Accessed, 3rd November 2010). Ken 5:41 PM sometimes unfortunately, the weaker members of class then default to each other to form a "weakest" group Mathew Hillier 5:41 PM ParticipationForum.org ParticipationMap.org Maria Fernandez-Toro 5:41 PM some leaders facilitate, others take over Paul B 5:42 PM @Charlotte: Thanks v. much Keely Laycock 5:42 PM could you move the 3 from group 5 into other groups? Angela Short 5:42 PM Yes Maria but if the group self selects this tends to be less of a problem Sue B1 5:42 PM happens in f 2 f groups Ken 5:46 PM Would all cultural cohorts respond the same way to collaborative group activities? Meg Rosse 5:48 PM do you have any samples of a neat rubric and some good topic questions? Charlotte STEER 5:48 PM is the participation map visible to the students? Is that how they know who is not participating, and what the peer average of participation is? Keely Laycock 5:48 PM In my experience, many cultures prefer collaborative learning. It might be ability of students that might prevent collaboration as some higher level students prefer individual work. Charlotte STEER 5:49 PM online is also good for those who like to think before they comment - a disadvantage in F2F class Meg Rosse 5:49 PM sorry - not rubric, but what you use to figure out the mark out of 30 Charlotte STEER 5:50 PM everyone says law students hate to cooperate because they are so competitive but in my 20+ years of teaching law I think this is rubbish - we are all people, and people love to join together in groups to achieve meaningful goals Ken 5:50 PM Ah, F2F reluctant students must be a universal... Keely Laycock 5:50 PM I like the diagram - is it just a plug in for moodle or can it be used for webinars (e.g. Blackboard?)? yes 5:51 PM Maria Fernandez-Toro 5:51 PM I would be uncomfortable showing the maps to the students as this can put some potentially vulnerable individuals on the spot Ken 5:52 PM Won't auto-points lead to "instrumentalism"..ie students play the system to get the points Paul B 5:53 PM non-linear scale of points Ken 5:54 PM Thats very encouraging Brant Rebecca H (IBO) 5:54 PM Do you see any difference between students used to facebook or other social media and those with less experiences? Sue B1 5:56 PM how is the quality of posts assessed? rather than numbers of posts? Debbi Weaver 5:56 PM 30 mins each week each forum works for these small cohorts but can it be scalable to large cohorts (ie hundreds)? Meg Rosse 5:56 PM I like the 'getting up on the dance floor' analogy Charlotte STEER 5:57 PM how much is the cumulative reflective blog worth? Paul B 5:57 PM Earlier said max is 140 Phil Nicholls 1 5:57 PM We used the QA forum to get students to post a possible question for a forthcoming discussion panel, and they got points for any question that would start a discussion. Charlotte STEER 5:58 PM so the posts are worth 30% and the reflective final blog is another 30%? Lynne Taylerson 5:58 PM Is the plug in openly available? Angela Short 5:58 PM Thank you Brant and Mathew- got to go to work! Mathew Hillier 5:58 PM 2 minutes brant ;-) but we can go over a bit :-) 5:58 PM Ken 5:59 PM What do you use to generate the maps? Charlotte STEER 5:59 PM I am going to use this next year, thankyou, so exciting! I see your articles in google scholar about this, so I will read up Sally Jordan 5:59 PM sorry, got to go, but this has been great. Many thanks Brant. Somallon 5:59 PM Brant, is it possible to have these slides emailed out. this is great work. Mathew Hillier 5:59 PM this session is being recorded Somallon 5:59 PM Thanks Mat. Mathew Hillier 6:00 PM i can post the slides on the recoridng page too (assuming brant is Ok with that) Sue B1 6:00 PM thanks. Linda LaTrobeUni MEL Australia 1 6:00 PM Thank you, very useful. Must catch a 7:08pm bus in Melbourne! Anne Williams 6:00 PM Thank you, very interesting - we have some ideas to implement now! Mary (Aberystwyth) 6:00 PM participation map is cool....any chance of developin for Bb? Charlotte STEER 6:01 PM brant said Bb not interested Mary (Aberystwyth) 6:01 PM :-( Meg Rosse 6:01 PM sorry - have to go now - muchas gracias Mary kennedy-Jones 6:02 PM thankyou so much I still have to learn Somallon 6:02 PM This is really eciting for online work. Mathew Hillier 6:02 PM ParticipationForum.orgParticipationMap.org David Campbell 6:02 PM I am still not clear on how you have the groups set up in Moodle. Mathew Hillier 6:02 PM no worries! Kerrie 6:02 PM Great webinar, thanks Brant and Mathew Ngaire Kirk 1 6:02 PM This is excellent, thankyou:) Teresa 1 6:02 PM Apologies, I need to go but thank you for a great session and information bhavani sridharan 6:02 PM thanks and enjoyed:) Maria Fernandez-Toro 6:02 PM Thank you Brant, very useful Deb Hine 6:03 PM thanks Brandt-realy useful information. Frank 3 6:03 PM Thanks for sharing brant Brian Mulheran 6:03 PM Great. Thanks so much Brant and Mathew. Very informative. Look forward to reviewing the recording. Ken 6:03 PM Thanks Brant, bye Deb Murdoch 1 6:03 PM thanks, really interesting Sue B1 6:03 PM bye Paul B 6:03 PM A model webinar. Thanks Mathew and Brant Rebecca H (IBO) 6:03 PM Thanks, I'll be giving your contact info to our online colleagues. Lyn Marks 6:03 PM Thank you Brant - very helpful bhavani sridharan 6:03 PM bye Mathew Hillier 6:03 PM bit.ly/TA_webinar_feedback Keely Laycock 6:03 PM Great, thanks Brant. Mathew Hillier 6:03 PM please fill our feedback sourvey! Phil Nicholls 1 6:03 PM Fab, will pimp up current forum in first year science philosophy unit Mathew Hillier 6:03 PM click the link i nteh chat Somallon 6:03 PM Thnaks heaps Brant, and Mat. Deb Hine 6:03 PM No questions Bye Charlotte STEER 6:03 PM will be passing this on to ED in Law faculty at UNSW AP 1 6:03 PM Great! Silvia 6:03 PM Thanks Hartmut Scherer 1 6:04 PM great webinar. Thanks a lot, Brant. Rebecca H (IBO) 6:04 PM bye Phil Nicholls 1 6:04 PM students ever rate the posts Debbi Weaver 6:04 PM thanks Brant susabamb 2 6:04 PM Thank you very much Mathew Hillier 6:04 PM bit.ly/TA_webinar_feedback Anne Williams 6:04 PM Thanks Brant - I might try some of these ideas in a two week course - will let you know how we go Kerrie 6:04 PM No questions, thank you for a very informative webinar Phil Nicholls 1 6:04 PM ok thanks. Cudos points Karl Wiener 2 6:04 PM I came in late, but it was very informative. Thanks Mary (Aberystwyth) 6:04 PM thanks, very interesting and useful! Rhondda 6:04 PM Thank you Silvia McCormack 2 6:04 PM Great information Brant. I'll try to download teh participation map. bhavani sridharan 6:05 PM will it work on Desire 2 Learn? bhavani sridharan 6:05 PM lms Somallon 6:05 PM We have a couple of colleagues pushing boundaries to reduce passive learning here (La Trobe) so this will be excellent i think. bhavani sridharan 6:05 PM not sure thanks 6:05 PM Somallon 6:06 PM Dont we all? Anne Williams 6:06 PM I'm at La Trobe too Somallon 6:06 PM Cheers gentlemen, thanks, and bye for now. Mathew Hillier 6:06 PM please fill our survey .. thanks! Phil Nicholls 1 6:06 PM Rolled out Moodle this year at Murdoch Uni in WA Charlotte STEER 6:07 PM Go to UNSW Mathew Hillier 6:07 PM they are a big moodle user Lynne Taylerson 6:07 PM Thanks so much – really valuable, will cascade to my colleagues in Worcester, UK Charlotte STEER 6:07 PM big user of moodle = BUM Anne Williams 6:07 PM Thanks and bye Lynne Taylerson 6:08 PM Yup! Charlotte STEER 6:08 PM woostersheer Charlotte STEER 6:08 PM no wooster - sheer Charlotte STEER 6:08 PM yes Ngaire Kirk 1 6:08 PM I hope to use this at Massey NZ in my big intermediate accounting class using Moodle next year. Thank you very much, Ngaire Lynne Taylerson 6:08 PM Spot on! Charlotte STEER 6:08 PM shire reeve Brant Knutzen 6:08 PM sheriff Charlotte STEER 6:09 PM Thanks brandt you are an inspiration as an online teacher i know, why is the education faculty the hardest??? 6:10 PM Mathew Hillier 6:10 PM they are too busy publishing papers ;-) Kerrie 6:10 PM Yes Charlotte, I agree. There is a lot of teaching "online" but not always done well Charlotte STEER 6:10 PM UNSW Medical faculty is the leader at UNSW in L&T Kerrie 6:11 PM Hard to let go of "sage on the stage" for some. Charlotte STEER 6:11 PM 2nd life for practising ear operations .. yyes 6:11 PM David Campbell 6:11 PM Just looked at the open source sites. Will these work with Moodle 2.6? David Campbell 6:12 PM Thanks. Good webinar. Kerrie 6:13 PM Bye from me Charlotte STEER 6:14 PM Thankyou Matthew for organising such a fabulous series of webinars