Geoff Crisp 5:03 PM thanks Mathew, online now Iris Nube (IB) 5:04 PM Vern? Can you please shut off your webcam and microphone? Matthew is asking you to do that! Mathew Hillier 5:05 PM lol Geoff Crisp 5:05 PM All friendly people here Tim Hunt 5:05 PM I think a lot of people watch the recording later. Mathew Hillier 5:06 PM with 105 registered so i guess so! Ghizzi 5:06 PM yes some of my colleagues will have to review later as we're working Mathew Hillier 5:06 PM :-)no worries Mathew Hillier 5:14 PM interesting comment about 'electronic typewriters'. sure push the pedagogical boundaries. 5:15 PM Tim Hunt 5:16 PM LOL maths comes last as usual. Tim Hunt 5:16 PM A assume that is because of the difficulty of handling notation. Mathew Hillier 5:16 PM that would be my guess too Rebecca H (IBO) 5:16 PM So you are starting with the more text oriented response types (yes postponing maths to 2019) Mathew Hillier 5:17 PM that and had drawn style diagrams. it makes sense to start with the easy one! 5:17 PM Ghizzi 5:17 PM absolutely Ghizzi 5:17 PM makes sense Mathew Hillier 5:18 PM is there an 'ICT' subject in the highschool exams? Tim Hunt 5:18 PM Sure. I was sharing sympathy, not criticising. We have the same problem. Ghizzi 5:19 PM hehe always the way Rebecca H (IBO) 5:20 PM so you are developing software for this specifically? As IBO is? Mathew Hillier 5:20 PM yes most provides are offering basic question types. you cant do simulations of complex cases etc (sorry for my horrid typing ability!) 5:21 PM Rebecca H (IBO) 5:21 PM Does it close off internet connection or is that something that will follow? Mathew Hillier 5:21 PM @Rebecca - yes they are creating their own systems. Ghizzi 5:22 PM Will you be providing devices or BYOD? Rebecca H (IBO) 5:22 PM Sorry, the slide shows it does Rebecca H (IBO) 5:22 PM Not only the localities, but security is an issue to with Cloud based distribution Alexander [FU Berlin] 5:24 PM good Morning from Berlin ,-) Ghizzi 5:25 PM good morning Mathew Hillier 5:25 PM Hi alex :-) Alexander [FU Berlin] 5:26 PM hey mathewwww :D Rebecca H (IBO) 5:26 PM So the teachers use the same software to construct their own tests in school? So the students will be prepared for the exam Paul Newhouse 5:27 PM Sounds a bit like LiveAssess that TAG provide Iris Nube (IB) 5:27 PM From the picture in the right-hand corner I gather that students can use computers and tablets? Rebecca H (IBO) 5:27 PM So how are the teachers trained to use the full possibilities of eExam? Mathew Hillier 5:29 PM perhaps some example questions to give them better ideas about writing much better question types 5:29 PM Ghizzi 5:29 PM yes easier if that's possible definitely makes it easier to encourage use and uptake Rebecca H (IBO) 5:29 PM I was not thinking about the technological training, but more on how to incorporate technological possibilities in setting questions. E.g. when en why to use interactive/video sources... when is it actually useful, does it improve the test? Jeffery 5:30 PM So all of them are using wired connections? Ghizzi 5:30 PM yes opportunity to improve pedagogy of assessment designs is fundamental Trevor Meek Uni of Bradford, UK 5:31 PM I agree Rebecca - this is so fundamental when involving new users in e-assessment. Rebecca H (IBO) 5:31 PM That would seem the most reliable to use wired network, even in developed countries Tim Hunt 5:31 PM @Rebecca, yes. You don't need to train people to post to Facebook, but you do need to teach them to write a good essay, or report, or research paper. Mathew Hillier 5:31 PM The session from UBC yesterday covered robust wireless networks Rebecca H (IBO) 5:31 PM @Tim, you need to teach teachers how to set test using IT possibilities... sorry I disagree Tim Hunt 5:32 PM @Rebecca, actually, I was trying to agree with you :-) Rebecca H (IBO) 5:32 PM Even experienced paper setters need to understand how IT options improves the options on how to ask questions. Tim Hunt 5:32 PM Yes, that is also true. Rebecca H (IBO) 5:32 PM Otherwise, the eExam will only be paper on screen. Mathew Hillier 5:32 PM looks like we are in violent agreement! Rebecca H (IBO) 5:32 PM :) Geoff Crisp 5:33 PM No point asking the same question on a computer that could be asked using paper Ghizzi 5:33 PM Yes actually sometimes more experienced need most support n developing new approaches Rebecca H (IBO) 5:35 PM yes you get the more experienced, who are so used to think in a certain way and they have trouble to accept that a new way might have advantages Trevor Meek Uni of Bradford, UK 5:37 PM Matti, did you manage to find a good solution to securing WLAN from hackers? Rebecca H (IBO) 5:37 PM You are not alone in that :) Ghizzi 5:37 PM @ Rebecca Yes is adapting creative thinking approaches to new design possibilities provided in new systems ... does get frustrating sometimes ;) Iris Nube (IB) 5:37 PM Do the students bring their own devices? If so, how do you know they are not using documents on their own device? (or bluetooth or ...) Trevor Meek Uni of Bradford, UK 5:38 PM I understand.. seems a large problem at the moment. Ghizzi 5:40 PM can you put links in chat pane cant access from slide ;) cheers Mathew Hillier 5:41 PM http://digabi.fi/64bit http://digabi.fi/32bit 5:41 PM https://github.com/digabi 5:41 PM Ghizzi 5:41 PM Cheers Matthew Maybe we should include marks for ingenuity in circumventing system ;) - martin schranz joined the Main Room. ( 5:41 PM ) - Mathew Hillier 5:42 PM The Digabi project did run a 'hackabi' contest before. Ghizzi 5:43 PM ha there are no new ideas from me Mathew Hillier 5:43 PM ;-) i am sure you had one today :-P 5:43 PM Jeffery 5:44 PM so each client runs their own "server" ? Mathew Hillier 5:45 PM client is one USB. the server is separate Ghizzi 5:45 PM it's early ive still got time to come up with one :) Mathew Hillier 5:45 PM just they can supply the server as a USB as well. Jeffery 5:45 PM cos i see the OS having a delegate server Rebecca H (IBO) 5:45 PM Is that type of calculator built in the eExam Mathew Hillier 5:46 PM Digabi OS is based on Debian @rebecca- do you mean calculator that students can use during the exam? 5:46 PM Rebecca H (IBO) 5:47 PM @Matt, yes Mathew Hillier 5:47 PM if yes then there are a range of possible calculator software available on linux. Rebecca H (IBO) 5:47 PM Do these capture the 'steps' into the eExam software? Or do the kids need to type the steps into an answer box? 5:47 PM Mathew Hillier 5:47 PM it should run standard linux software apps (and Windows apps if they add WINE). Ghizzi 5:48 PM point 3 how is that being done ? yes 5:48 PM Rebecca H (IBO) 5:48 PM bullet 3: what is the current use? So here we come back to the training of the teachers and paper setters with regard to the types of questions and the use of IT in question setting 5:49 PM Ghizzi 5:49 PM are they sharing socially their learning and experiences? Developing a community of learning practice? 5:50 PM Rebecca H (IBO) 5:50 PM So you are going to trust on the backwash of the test development to drive/increase IT use in the classroom? The longer timeline becomes more and more logical :) 5:50 PM Mathew Hillier 5:50 PM @rebecca - this was the idea behind 'Transforming Assessment' ;-) provide examples and food for thought about how to enhance learning through ICT. Rebecca H (IBO) 5:51 PM I understand. It looks like using teaching to the test to change learning. Ghizzi 5:51 PM yes thank you Matt can u do links again sorry 5:51 PM Alexander [FU Berlin] 5:51 PM thanks!!! Mathew Hillier 5:52 PM digabi@ylioppilastutkinto.fi i hope i didnt miss a letter 5:52 PM Ghizzi 5:52 PM hehe thank you Geoff Crisp 5:53 PM Thanks Matti Ghizzi 5:53 PM im dyslexic id never notice! Rebecca H (IBO) 5:53 PM looks like matt didn't Mathew Hillier 5:53 PM https://digabi.fi/ main home page 5:53 PM Trevor Meek Uni of Bradford, UK 5:54 PM Sorry got to go; many thanks Matti; will email later. Cheers! Rebecca H (IBO) 5:54 PM NOt now but we will be in touch martin schranz 5:55 PM why did you use node.js on the backend ? Geoff Crisp 5:55 PM do you think the universities will move to this if the schools are doing it? Matti Lattu 5:55 PM I think the main links were already present in the chat log. Rebecca H (IBO) 5:56 PM @Geoff, that is the issue. If you start doing this at a certain age group, can you expect them to revert to paper-pencil Tim Hunt 5:57 PM Also, if you are using HTML5 + Javascript on the client side, then it makes sense ot use node.js on the server. Geoff Crisp 5:57 PM schools are often innovative in teaching but students are sometimes surprised when they come to university and it seems a bit "old fashioned" Ghizzi 5:58 PM @ Geoff yes thats true here too Rebecca H (IBO) 5:58 PM From Netherlands... it is a bit more complicated that that Matti Lattu 6:00 PM CITO Mathew Hillier 6:00 PM cito? ok 6:00 PM Tobias Halbherr 6:00 PM got to go. thank you. Mathew Hillier 6:00 PM thanks tobias Iris Nube (IB) 6:00 PM www.cito.nl Mathew Hillier 6:00 PM thanks iris great. 6:00 PM Jeffery 6:01 PM thx matti! Matti Lattu 6:01 PM Thank you everyone for inspiring comments and questions! Ghizzi 6:01 PM Thank you another really useful session cheers all :) Geoff Crisp 6:01 PM thanks Matti James Denholm-Price 6:01 PM Thanks everyone :-) Rebecca H (IBO) 6:01 PM Yes, very interesting. Thanks! martin schranz 6:01 PM thanks Iris Nube (IB) 6:01 PM Thank you Matti! Jeffery 6:01 PM just wondering though Hele 6:01 PM Thank you! Ghizzi 6:01 PM Cheers Matt Mathew Hillier 6:01 PM thanks all! see you monday! 6:01 PM James Denholm-Price 6:01 PM Thanks Matthew -- cheers! Iris Nube (IB) 6:02 PM rebecca.hamer@ibo.org or iris.nube@ibo.org (If you want more information on CITO, the website is in Dutch so we might be able to help you..) Mathew Hillier 6:03 PM thanks iris Matti Lattu 6:03 PM Bye Mathew, thanks for chairing! Bye all! Mathew Hillier 6:03 PM welcome!! keep in touch :-) 6:03 PM Einar Rull 6:03 PM Thanks! Mathew Hillier 6:03 PM thanks for coming along :-0