WEBVTT 00:00:04.000 --> 00:00:04.900 Great. I can't see where to mute my camera. 00:00:05.000 --> 00:00:05.900 There is no microphone option because they are disabled 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:08.900 sound clear 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:43.900 I cant see Kylie 00:00:57.000 --> 00:00:57.900 We aren't using webcams currently 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:00.900 My org canceled exams 00:01:05.000 --> 00:01:05.900 thanks 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:26.900 Jen Lawrence: https://twitter.com/JennyALawrence 00:02:05.000 --> 00:02:05.900 Can you turn off ALL the cameras please? 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:27.900 Start with these and then upload the new ones and switch to them We have turned off all cameras 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:40.900 πŸ‘ 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:55.900 Thanks 00:02:56.000 --> 00:02:56.900 πŸ™ƒ 00:02:58.000 --> 00:02:58.900 Good suggestion 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:02.900 πŸ‘ 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:18.900 Copyright for images?? 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:41.900 copyright was arranged on our final slides (these are our practice slides - woops) 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:53.900 πŸ‘ 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:04.900 if you click on the hand your mouse will turn into a pointer 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:28.900 πŸ‘ 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:45.900 yes please do 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:46.900 Yes please for the video link 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:55.900 The Video Kylie is referring to is on our Online Exams page here https://www.une.edu.au/current-students/my-course/examinations/olx-project 00:06:07.000 --> 00:06:07.900 Thank you 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:09.900 Even Minecraft exams are the same as ancient China! 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:19.900 Could we hear more about the survey at the end? What questions do you ask etc πŸ™‚ 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:42.900 Yes second that request @Alix 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:55.900 gosh, yes, they see the handwriting as so archaic 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:13.900 Do you plan to talk about cheating and how you overcome collusion etc 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:15.900 Some of my students have said "the only time I ever write anything with a pen is for an exam" 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:25.900 We will talk about academic integrity and cheating shortly 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:33.900 @Marc, absolutely! 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:35.900 Great! 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:37.900 Exam security with asynchronous delivery? 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:45.900 Fergal - yes 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:54.900 how do you actually set up 00:08:59.000 --> 00:08:59.900 Could you please tell more about your exams? Proctored? Types of questions? Timed? etc. Ta πŸ™‚ 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:17.900 How many students are doing online exams? 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:29.900 Same reasons as for online learning in general? 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:32.900 how can you suppress the beep when a chat entry is made, without muting the webinar? 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:39.900 Good question! 00:09:57.000 --> 00:09:57.900 Settings cog at bottom of collaborate panel - notification settings 00:09:59.000 --> 00:09:59.900 time is important.. we have 8am exams and many who live a long way off and have family responsibilities 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:03.900 open settings and disabele the audio πŸ˜‚ 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:06.900 Jon - my settings and notification 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:13.900 @JOhn click the cog icon settings - expand the Notifications entry and untick the Audio notification 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:14.900 @John go to settings and reset audio notifications the cog icon right of chat 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:18.900 John - I just did so. Click the picture of the gear then go to notification setting and turn off audio for messages 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:22.900 tick off audio notification 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:29.900 Thank you! so much better 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:42.900 Thanx! 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:48.900 Much better, thanks! 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:52.900 agreed 00:10:59.000 --> 00:10:59.900 Question for later: How do you prevent leakage of exam content if the students can choose their own start time? 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:00.900 thanks, yes 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:11.900 Important question, thanks. 00:11:31.000 --> 00:11:31.900 Do you offer different versions of the exam for the same group of students? 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:49.900 I'm wondering if you use a proprietary system that you're using, or is this a program that you have developed. 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:09.900 i think it is a proctored system in the LMS? 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:12.900 Any notable difference in performance of remote vs paper exams? 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:25.900 We use moodle. I wonder if we can do it in that. 00:12:35.000 --> 00:12:35.900 Is it correct to say 2,500 exam sittings are online? 00:12:47.000 --> 00:12:47.900 Our systems are LMS = Moodle; Online Exams = ProctorU 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:53.900 thanks 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:04.900 Unviersity of Zurich have been using Moodle for online exams for years. 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:07.900 What if students have problems with access to online 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:12.900 https://www.proctoru.com/ 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:33.900 Same question as @Leanne Chalmers re exam leakage 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:02.900 Hi Megan - I'm at QUT too 00:14:20.000 --> 00:14:20.900 Any students in China, issues with ProctorU? Does the student need to use a VPN for this US company? 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:22.900 Are all your exams then open-book exams? 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:24.900 what level of Proctor U are you using? full invigoration? 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:29.900 Is this ProctorU scalable - say to 400 students? 00:14:36.000 --> 00:14:36.900 Hi @Kerensa! 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:43.900 1000+ students? 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:48.900 πŸ™‚ 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:55.900 hi Megan and Kerensa 00:14:56.000 --> 00:14:56.900 Same question as @Kathryn Wardill re students in China 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:06.900 Who r u Covid 19? 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:08.900 not sure who you are Covid 19 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:09.900 Second the China question re ProctorU 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:21.900 Loretta Smith qutic 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:28.900 πŸ˜„ 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:33.900 Hi Loretta! 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:34.900 Covid 19 is Coronavirus πŸ™‚ 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:36.900 What are the two biometrics? 00:16:04.000 --> 00:16:04.900 Thanks πŸ™‚ 00:16:17.000 --> 00:16:17.900 Is there any way to turn off the 'pop' sound when a new message is posted? 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:26.900 Can face recognition be used with minors? 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:43.900 Not sure about face recog for minors - might be one for ProctorU 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:49.900 KCL: settings cog, notifications, uncheck options 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:51.900 biometrics are great but not every student has a webcam 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:53.900 @KCL got to settings cog to right of chat and switch off audio notifications 00:16:55.000 --> 00:16:55.900 It would be great to see the instructions for students - especially international. 00:16:57.000 --> 00:16:57.900 Do you schedule your online exams in databee & provide a timetable to students? 00:16:58.000 --> 00:16:58.900 - turn off -> cog icon will get you into settings. there is an option to disable it. 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:05.900 so are you using full video invigoration after the initial ID process 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:08.900 yes Megan 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:26.900 I haven't used exams for 10 years 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:38.900 Are the students allowed to write the online exam in a computer lab or are they allowed to write it from their computer and at any time? 00:17:58.000 --> 00:17:58.900 They've said that exams can be done from home 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:23.900 Thank you 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:27.900 I am interested in the question from @Michael Sankey re what level of video proctoring - the 'full package'? 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:00.900 I would just live stream the exam on my phone to my friends 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:02.900 Good question @Abdulbaqi Badru - I am interested in hearing about both scenarios 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:40.900 What about taking photos of the questions and sharing them with peers? 00:19:57.000 --> 00:19:57.900 Video the monitor screen with a mobile phone -> live stream 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:14.900 What if the hardware is *not* attached? 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:15.900 Is exam from home and anywhere globally 00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:26.900 e.g. two completely separate devices 00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:46.900 you have to put your phone behind you in. ProctorU 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:06.900 Really? 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:18.900 Never going to stop cheating - so yes, just make it hard enough that most won't bother 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:24.900 πŸ‘ 00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:27.900 tre 00:21:35.000 --> 00:21:35.900 πŸ‘ 00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:39.900 πŸ‘ 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:55.900 Have you tested all of these AI features...? Have you tried to cheat ProctorU in house? 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:02.900 What about students who are wearing face veils? Can they still take an exam? 00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:31.900 What is the burden on invigilators if they must do a series of exams with smaller groups of candidates? 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:33.900 what do they do if a student has a question ? eg a typo in the exam... 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:34.900 Do you use Review+ or Live+ with ProctorU? 00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:54.900 What happens if these "cheating" issues are detected in the room. Is the Academic notified as they would be for alleged misconduct in an exam? 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:16.900 Several (5+) years ago we did a pilot of ProctorU with 30 staff doing a practice exam. It seems like ProctorU has got a lot better since then. 00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:20.900 Who pays for this service - is it included in the student course fee or does the uni pay for it? 00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:22.900 Excellent for evidence gathering 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:29.900 did you compare proctorU vs Proctorio? 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:41.900 I wonder if ProctorU can scale to deal with a few hundred thousand extra examinees? 00:23:49.000 --> 00:23:49.900 Do you ask the students to record their screen while taking the exam? 00:23:53.000 --> 00:23:53.900 Cost of ProctorU? Our institution has invested in IRIS which apparently won't have the capacity for our Sem 1 exam needs. 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:15.900 Iman - screens are automatically recorded with the ProctorU system, and we can check the recording aftewards 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:29.900 can you set an exam within a locked exam browser and under ProctorU invigilation? 00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:31.900 I see. Thank you! 00:24:41.000 --> 00:24:41.900 With asynchronous start times, what is to stop a student who does the exam early in the morning share the questions with a student who does it later in the day? They would not be doing anythign that triggers the AI or the supervisors attention during the exam? 00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:44.900 What are the costs? What would be a decent number of payers of the course/exam to get to a break even point and make it worth to buy this software? 00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:50.900 Business questions about ProctorU are probably best researched on their web site. I think we should let the presenters share what they ahvae prepared. What challenges did you find difficult to resolve? 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:52.900 Could I also ask the question Marc posed earlier with regards to whether there are any issues for students who might be taking exams whilst wearing a face veil? 00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:07.900 +1 cost of Proctoru? 00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:25.900 And how does invigilation work with variable/flexible exam times please? 00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:30.900 are the exam supervisors working for ProctorU? (ie they aren't uni staff). Given the students need to choose a time I assume they need to log the time in advance so proctor U can be set up? 00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:33.900 Cost is hidden on the site 00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:55.900 Deidre: That was my immediate thought. Already asked. 00:25:57.000 --> 00:25:57.900 What sort of questions can you use? Can students provide workings for calculation-based problems? 00:25:59.000 --> 00:25:59.900 yes please 00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:30.900 Questions depend upon the functionality of your LMS 00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:33.900 Laurine asked a good question earlier - "what do they do if a student has a question ? eg a typo in the exam..." 00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:52.900 How do you deal with supporting the various types of devices and browsers issue from your students? 00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:23.900 Rough guide for Procturu: Exams proctored through ProctorU cost $8.75 (30-min. practice exam), $14.75 (1-hr. exam), $21.50 (90-min. and 2-hour exam), or $30.25 (3-hour exam) billed when you schedule the exam. 00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:31.900 Since the exam happens on your normal LMS, students have been using ti all year, so device compatibility was already solved. 00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:34.900 Abdulbaqui - different browsers and other technical issues are handled via ProctorU's technical support. We've found it very good support, our students report very positively on the help they receive 00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:56.900 Thank you 00:27:57.000 --> 00:27:57.900 Thanks James Neill. 00:27:59.000 --> 00:27:59.900 We use completely randomised questions using https://dividni.com/ 00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:10.900 those costs AUD$? 00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:23.900 Are those costs per student? 00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:28.900 Can we use such individualized exams? 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:30.900 What happens if the student's internet connection drops out? 00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:38.900 Can students answer questions with subscripts and superscripts? 00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:52.900 Thinking of Chemistry questions.... 00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:17.900 what recommendations can you give for assessing English/language learners? 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:18.900 Open University has Moodle question types that allow sup and sub for Chemistry. 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:22.900 e.g if you have STACK plugin for Moodle then you can do much more complex questions. 00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:45.900 Thanks Tim and Mathew 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:48.900 Can we embed images or videos in the exam? 00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:49.900 There are add-on questoin types that work well for STEM. 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:53.900 you could also use word document or spreadhseet etc. but that depends on how you configure it all. 00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:04.900 would love to know about audio - can you deliver that as well? eg Listening test? 00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:24.900 you can also try NUMBAS for STEM questions 00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:27.900 or Reading test..how is a long text displayed? You can insert simulations as learning objects but the modeling has to be pretty simple 00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:44.900 So theoretically there is no exam manuscript submission if all exams are online? 00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:49.900 Also worth considering: let students sketch on a bit of paper, and hold it up to the webcam. 00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:03.900 @ Tim - yes that has been done! 00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:04.900 Do you have any ideas for doing online music notation/theory exams? 00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:20.900 @Tim yes keep it simple 00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:50.900 Open Universty UK rule for summative assessment: You have to have 5 variants of each question. 00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:05.900 @Judith I would investigate what type of apps are available for you LMS in relation to music notation 00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:11.900 Yes can do that in Blackboard too Question pools and randomise q sets 00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:18.900 It sounds like ProctorU is just a service for supervising the exam carefully, but you can create your own exam on your own learning system as per usual 00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:19.900 @James Neill, thanks for the costs. Same Q as @Monika Jones - are these costs in AUD$ or US$? 00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:24.900 Good answer re using randomised test banks 00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:26.900 and randomise the order of the questions in the moodle quiz helps too. 00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:34.900 5% sounds pretty generous πŸ™‚ 00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:45.900 is there an ethical or privacy issue about using videos of 'clients' behaviours for use with students? perhaps it might be an idea to have actors model the behaviours 00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:48.900 What if students refuse to be recorded? How do you handle this? 00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:02.900 @James Neill: Are the costs per exam or student? 00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:12.900 Going back to integrity, how do you handle candidates that wish to go to the bathroom mid-exam? 00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:23.900 How prepared are students at home regarding correct equipment, set up etc? 00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:39.900 What's your current failure rate? Eg Technology failure. 00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:40.900 Re cost I pulled it from: http://online.illinois.edu/proctoru Aaron - they can't... 00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:51.900 Couldn't students chat with their lecturer if they are available during the exam? 00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:57.900 Could you give an idea as to the weight of these exams? Are they 100% of the summative final grade, or do they supplement other assessment methods? 00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:01.900 thanks, @James Neill 00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:08.900 @Marc.. that’s correct it is worth noting - the 'proctoring' part is fuctionally seperate to that of the exam content part. you can use any software you like to present the exam content with a proctoring system overlaid on the top of it. just that it is common to use either a word doc or the LMS quiz) 00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:19.900 @Sara most of providing fully online courses set minimum requirements for signing on to course and support for getting set up 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:22.900 can you provide an English text and then ask students to provide Chinese, Korean,Japanese, Spanish, Arabic etc 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:36.900 Sorry - was the question about internet failure during exam, answered? 00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:48.900 The video Kylie mentions is here https://www.une.edu.au/current-students/my-course/examinations/olx-project 00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:55.900 @ Yan - you could. but it depends on your LMS or other software. 00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:23.900 Thanks for all the good questions, but .....could we pls move on with the rest presentation? Thank you 00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:24.900 what sanctions are in place when students break the rules? 00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:37.900 Most of the questions are general about the capabilities of online exams/computers. Can we stick to remote invigilated online exams please 00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:51.900 Connection issues are a common problem where I am - what happens if the internet cuts out mid exam? 00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:12.900 Clearly your students all have a webcam and understand this is a requirement to enrol. Any suggestions for the situation we're in now where some will but many will not. 00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:57.900 ProctorU seems to be very invasive to the user's devices. What guarantee do they have that once the exams are over, the app has ceased functioning? 00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:39.900 The advertised cost seem to be billed per student. 00:37:41.000 --> 00:37:41.900 @Pilar agreed 00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:56.900 Can you do this remote invigilation through blackboard assessments 00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:57.900 https://www.reddit.com/r/AskTechnology/comments/a6918s/proctoru_privacy_concerns/ 00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:14.900 considering the self-isolation situation, it`s very hard to fix problems prior to exam if there are internet issues or thinsg taht require interaction 00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:19.900 @James thanks 00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:24.900 @Pilar yes, I found that a good question too. Also with things 'turned off' are they then turned back on when ProctorU logout? 00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:34.900 Apologies if this has been covered, I missed the start... what is the concurrency capacity with ProctorU, i.e. how many sittings can be run at the same time, e.g. if we have a Unit that requires 500 sittings, how is this run? Thank you. 00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:55.900 Some of these questions might be best directed to Proctor U 00:39:09.000 --> 00:39:09.900 What Moodle activity do you use to set your exams? 00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:20.900 Which department deals with the 24/7? ICT? The academic? Ed Designer? 00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:38.900 Do you train your students about the tech that they are supposed to use? 00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:53.900 @Jo #2 yes to blackboard - we have a different service tho...not ProctorU 00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:12.900 Abdulbaqui - we use the Quiz tool in Moodle 00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:25.900 Thank you Jenni 00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:31.900 Cath - our Exams team is centralised - they're the ones that take the call at 3am if something has gone wrong 00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:45.900 Thanks Jennifer... 00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:49.900 Is it the exams team that manages the 24 hours on call? How do they get paid for being on call? 00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:44.900 Hanna - they're only "on call" during our 2 week exam period. They are paid overtime for that, and the duty is shared around the team. ProctorU only call us if they can't solve it for the student and require the University's input 00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:56.900 Do you give extra time to students with reasonable accommodation requests eg. dyslexia - is this organised through moodle 00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:14.900 Got to go. Thanks for organising this online session and for sharing your experiences. 00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:20.900 Marie - yes, we did this for paper exams as well. Our students report Online Exams make it easier to manage this 00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:27.900 Who are your supervisors? 00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:37.900 Does your try it out exam include live proctoring? 00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:48.900 Elena - ProctorU employs the 'exam invigilators', whereas the university employs the centralised team to manage the process 00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:52.900 can you explain again what you do for students that don't have access to the technology? THey write questions and provide answers? And grade them? The audio was breaking up for me at this point and I had trouble understanding. Plus, I think the terminology is a bit new to me coming from Canada/US 00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:01.900 Thanks! 00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:27.900 Can we have an example of exam session please 00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:42.900 Lisa - you'll need to contact ProctorU for that I'm afraid πŸ™‚ 00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:14.900 Bean - I'll come back to that shortly 00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:21.900 Considering that Proctor U have said there may be some issues supplying their proctoring service at scale, will you consider lower levels of proctoring/service if all all exams can't be live hosted? 00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:27.900 Makes sense, is the cost for the try it out exam at a lesser rate as it is low stakes and for less time? 00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:37.900 ProctorU doesn't actually run the exams though - do they? My understanding is that you run the exam on your own online learning system, ProctorU just watches the students. 00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:43.900 Side question (no need to answer if time's tight): Are you sharing the PPT via Office 365 through a browser? I played with Blackboard Collaborate today after my Zoom class with offshore students crashed, and I could only screen share Chrome tabs. Open PPTs, PDFs and Word docs didn't appear as an option like they do in Zoom. 00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:47.900 Important advice: Practice exam to help students set up 00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:13.900 ProctorU says this on their site right now: "Current Status Update We are currently not forecasting any service disruption for online proctoring for any current client through the Spring and Summer term. Over the past several years, ProctorU has built a distributed platform and workforce in anticipation of potential natural disasters that could affect one or more physical locations. We are monitoring the situation hourly as it unfolds across the globe, and will continue to post updates as we learn more." 00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:34.900 Marc - yes, we run the exam itself on our system, ProctorU watches over the top of that 00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:41.900 Thanks! 00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:04.900 Thanks Marc, the quote is really helpful 00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:21.900 Thanks Jennifer 00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:28.900 @Fergal...Microsoft teams have a similar zoom like feature and is..at the moment... quite stable. can share any doc like zoom @Fergal it's uploaded as a pdf via the Share content tab box with right angled arrow bottom right in the collaborate panel 00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:38.900 Buy stocks 00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:39.900 is the web cam of the students face recorded? have you had any students concerned with the ethics of this? 00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:03.900 thats me 00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:07.900 πŸ˜… @James Neill 00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:09.900 That’s not a bad idea, James. I visited them last year in Alabama. It’s a business that is exploding. 00:47:11.000 --> 00:47:11.900 Presumably they sign a waiver, they mentioned that some students have refused and they write a normal exam 00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:34.900 FLEARNING! love it! 00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:36.900 Jonathan Powles here James *waves* 00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:37.900 James - I've thought about it! 00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:50.900 @jonathan - hi mate - πŸ™‚ 00:47:58.000 --> 00:47:58.900 Rebecca - both the webcam view of the student and their screen is recorded 00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:02.900 Good to see you. 00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:13.900 thanks! 00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:36.900 "Exams vending machine" πŸ™‚ 00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:37.900 Ethics is trickier - we manage expectations and communicate extensively, rather than trying to manage lots of exceptions 00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:09.900 How have you changed the content or nature of exams by moving online? I've heard little about innovation of the exams themselves, just moving them to an online setting 00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:23.900 What % are exams worth based on the whole student assessment? For example if 100% would you still run it online? 00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:41.900 Does this platform students from doing a screenshot for the exam qiestions? 00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:52.900 *prevent screenshot 00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:55.900 Great question - how have you changed your actual exams because of this technology? 00:49:57.000 --> 00:49:57.900 Ayeshah - our platform prevents students taking screenshots 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:00.900 Thank you for this info Kylie, I think we are somewhat nervous about losing resources (people) by moving to online exams, it is great to hear you advocate for a strong centralised team to continue running exams. 00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:21.900 Jennifer, What about photos of the questions? 00:50:58.000 --> 00:50:58.900 MBoyno - any other devices will be seen by the invigilator/proctor via the webcam 00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:03.900 @MBoyno basically invigilator watching student via webcam 00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:07.900 Earlier the presenters discussed how ProctorU uses technology to make sure that the students aren't taking screen shots, etc. Do you still use an exam timetabling software for example databee? 00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:13.900 Thanks 00:51:17.000 --> 00:51:17.900 Thanks Cath and Ghizzi. 00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:20.900 + 00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:43.900 Still curious about exam 'leakage' - students can jot down their notes after the exam to share with their friends if they are done asynchronously. 00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:46.900 @Jennifer - does UNE has any guide to help academics to design such online exams - from the pedagogical perspective? Thanks. 00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:51.900 if you dont have exam periods as such, do you still do timetables in databee? 00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:52.900 .Do students need longer to do an exam online than a paper exam? 00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:15.900 @Fergal, you are welcome 00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:16.900 with 24 hours availability window - how do you make sure that all the sessions are supervised? 00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:30.900 ^^good questions 00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:36.900 ProctorU is a 24/7 international business 00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:41.900 Good question @Alan Soong yes please 00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:54.900 If a student fails the exam a number of times do they pass? If so and gets 80% for the second time what grade do they get compared to a student who passes the first time and gets 80%? 00:52:56.000 --> 00:52:56.900 @Marc, if my understanding is correct, the randomised questions will help to prevent this being helpful. 5Q1s on different topics with different phraseology? 00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:11.900 Also students can do the same thing with face to face exams 00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:13.900 Does UNE have a learning design team that helps lecturers design exams? 00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:14.900 Cool, thanks Hazel 00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:25.900 Great questions- could we get answerß online afterward? 00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:52.900 Second that! 00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:18.900 Data bee? Is that the name of the program you're discussing? 00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:26.900 Can proctorU manage other languages than English? 00:54:29.000 --> 00:54:29.900 Sorry need to leave thank you look forward to receiving the recording and shared resources. Cheers all 00:54:47.000 --> 00:54:47.900 Bye Ghizzi 00:54:58.000 --> 00:54:58.900 https://databee.com.au/examsmanager Pillar, yes, it does. But not enough resources to meet demand. 00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:08.900 Thanks James 00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:20.900 Can you comment about providing feedback after completion of exam and timing. Although it would be ideal there is the risk of copying questions and answers..Would you suggest we do it 00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:47.900 UNE's Online Exams website has extensive information - feel free to have a look https://www.une.edu.au/current-students/my-course/examinations/olx-project 00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:03.900 @Jennifer - great, thanks! 00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:06.900 Thanks Jonathan - that confirms my suspicions. 00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:10.900 @Jennifer - AWESOME πŸ™‚ 00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:17.900 This is a great presentation - thanks guys! 00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:26.900 thank you so much! 00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:28.900 thank you all! 00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:30.900 Hi @Alan Soong. Hope you are well 00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:33.900 Thanks 00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:34.900 Thank you all! 00:56:35.000 --> 00:56:35.900 Thanks very much, Kylie, Jennifer and Matthew! Thhank you! 00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:37.900 Thanks! 00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:39.900 thanks 00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:40.900 Thank you all, this was great! 00:56:42.000 --> 00:56:42.900 πŸ‘ 00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:43.900 Thank you- great session 00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:44.900 thank you 00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:45.900 Thank you and good luck to you all! Thank you I have to run, but thanks for the information guys. Thanks so much 00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:47.900 Thanks 00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:50.900 thanks 00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:53.900 thank you Thanks heaps! 00:56:55.000 --> 00:56:55.900 Thank you 00:56:56.000 --> 00:56:56.900 thank you πŸ‘ 00:56:57.000 --> 00:56:57.900 @Jennifer...thank you for sharing... great that UNE is happy to share resources and processes... Wonderful session - lots of food for thought, PLEASE host another session! Highly-appreciated Thank you 00:56:59.000 --> 00:56:59.900 πŸ‘ please kindly fill our session feedback survey! http://taw.fi/feedback 00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:00.900 Really useful, thanks so much sharing your expertise 00:57:01.000 --> 00:57:01.900 Thank you! So much good info. 00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:05.900 Thank you Thank you very much! Very interesting and useful! 00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:06.900 Thank you 00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:07.900 how do you manage supervision if there is an open window- do students need to pick a time in advance? 00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:08.900 Thanks Kylie and Jennifer! Thanks all! Thank you so much 00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:09.900 Do you aim for automated marking; or manual marking? Or a mix? 00:57:11.000 --> 00:57:11.900 Thank you all - stay safe and well 00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:12.900 Thank you 00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:13.900 Thank you thank you for this, i look forward to receiving the slides and recording πŸ˜ƒ 00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:15.900 please kindly fill our session feedback survey! http://taw.fi/feedback 00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:23.900 Thank you! 00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:24.900 Thanks 00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:33.900 Great work guys, thanks! 00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:35.900 thank you Kylie and Jennifer 00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:36.900 Thank you so much! one more question. What have you seen as a turnaround time of an organizations deciding they would like to use this, and fully implementing their first exam? Thanks a lot for the useful information Many thanks 00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:38.900 Thanks Kylie and Jennifer, most informative 00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:47.900 please kindly fill our session feedback survey! http://taw.fi/feedback Stay healthy! 00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:54.900 This has been fascinating and so helpful - thanks Jennifer and Kylie. Matthew and TA, thanks for organising this. Great to see international collaboration in these difficult times. Stay safe everyone, and spread nothing but kindness. Bye 00:57:58.000 --> 00:57:58.900 Thank you, very informative - perfect timing for current contexts 00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:02.900 Thanks! 00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:06.900 Thanks Kylie and Jennifer! 00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:33.900 Ta for that, and second Aaron's qu. re time implementation time frame. 00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:38.900 How long do you store the recordings for? 00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:39.900 Thanks so much. It was very insightful! 00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:40.900 Thanks, Kylie, Jennifer, and Mathew. 00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:42.900 Thanks @Matthew for organising and Kylie and Jennifer for presenting. I look forward to sharing the recording. 00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:46.900 Thanks Kylie and Jennifer! 00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:51.900 Great question re implementation time 00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:53.900 please kindly fill our session feedback survey! http://taw.fi/feedback 00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:05.900 thanks all! crazy days! 00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:12.900 COVID19 is rocket fuel 00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:19.900 Thank you all. 00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:25.900 Thank you Kylie, Matthew and Jennifer 00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:28.900 sorry about the TA reg site outage today! still trying to fix it. 00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:41.900 Thank you this was very informative πŸ˜€ 01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:13.900 yep 1 year is typical for legal stuff in universities! 01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:16.900 Not only have you accelerated your project. You also took the time to share you experience with us. Thank you very much πŸ™‚ 01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:25.900 not designed for a pandemic. 01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:40.900 university bureaucracy struggles to be agile! 01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:50.900 Another option - switch exams to online quizzes - do you really need invigilation? 01:01:08.000 --> 01:01:08.900 lol 01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:13.900 Thank you @James - yes, in the short term, that might be an acceptable risk. 01:01:17.000 --> 01:01:17.900 change and humans is hard! 01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:20.900 tech is easy 01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:40.900 Thank you so much for kindly sharing your experience with us πŸ‘ 01:02:11.000 --> 01:02:11.900 Yes we are 01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:14.900 Waves! 01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:21.900 The recording will be posted to the TA website πŸ™‚ will include the full set of slides and the text chat log. 01:02:31.000 --> 01:02:31.900 before you go... please kindly fill our session feedback survey! http://taw.fi/feedback 01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:37.900 thank you all 01:03:02.000 --> 01:03:02.900 Thanks UNE for open sharing your expertise and learnings. Kudos. 01:03:05.000 --> 01:03:05.900 Thank you very much πŸ‘ 01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:11.900 do students nominate their exam time window through proctor u? 01:03:19.000 --> 01:03:19.900 Thanks again and bye! Thanks team πŸ™‚ 01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:32.900 thank you for your experience and time, this was really interesting. IMHO you probably cant get it implmented this term - but it good to start piloting. Thank you for your time - very informative 01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:36.900 Have you run a 3 hour exam? 01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:46.900 @Mathew - agreed, be realistic 01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:08.900 Do you have any advice for lab exams? 01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:12.900 online proctoring is not a silver bullet 01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:24.900 Amanda - yes, we set the availability window, then students select their time with proctor U 01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:28.900 We may end up with less exams in future 01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:03.900 I have to say this platform has held up admirably tonight (Aus time) 01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:08.900 to help reduce cost you can use record-and-post review for lower stakes exams. 01:05:16.000 --> 01:05:16.900 'Scrambling' is the word du jour! Good luck to everyone, and thanks again for this session. 01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:21.900 This is a Bb session, but you have Moodle? 01:05:31.000 --> 01:05:31.900 We are considering changing our math tests to a sort of "short term take home assignment" to get students to upload to our LMS due to the challenge of being able to show process and working on a computer 01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:33.900 You've spoken about allowing students to choose the time of their examination. Do you in addition offer for some subjects fixed time examinations ie they must be sat at 9am by everyone or is this something you dont do yourselves? 01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:12.900 who has supervise the practical exams? 01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:30.900 @Scott - yes, impressive robustness from BBU 01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:32.900 I would like to get some ideas on how to organize such exams 01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:36.900 Thanks very much - useful! And great flexibility with the 'wrong slides' - happens to us all πŸ™‚ 01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:39.900 I realise it is over time. but i will keep the recording going if others want to catch up the discussion at another time! 01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:10.900 What's the subject you found the trickiest to shifted to a proctored exam, and why? Any subjects that have been impossible so far? 01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:15.900 ^ Yes please Mathew 01:07:29.000 --> 01:07:29.900 thanks for all the info guys, much appreciated. 01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:50.900 What kind of work has been extending your days? We are currently I believe in the lull before the storm, as no decisions have been made, but it's hard to prepare for work we don't know about yet!? 01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:12.900 I bet online exams -> better completion rate 01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:13.900 Wow, universities treating students like people??! 01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:15.900 πŸ‘ 01:09:19.000 --> 01:09:19.900 Do you train your students on the required tech? 01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:32.900 ahead of time 01:09:36.000 --> 01:09:36.900 I second Adam's Q: "What's the subject you found the trickiest to shifted to a proctored exam, and why? Any subjects that have been impossible so far?" 01:09:41.000 --> 01:09:41.900 @MBoyno - yes they do, important 01:10:01.000 --> 01:10:01.900 Thanks 01:10:13.000 --> 01:10:13.900 @MBoyno they've answered that - yes they do, they do "try-it-out" mock practice runs (which are proctored) 01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:11.900 πŸ‘ 01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:18.900 @MBoyno - included checking student tech works, show their room and that they don't have post-it notes etc. 01:11:22.000 --> 01:11:22.900 Thank you keep safe everyone 01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:28.900 Thanks for the session! 01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:44.900 Thanks a lot for this session, much appreciated 01:11:46.000 --> 01:11:46.900 did it happened that students refuse to do online exam and wouldlike to have face to face exam for the fairness? 01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:00.900 Did you have Arabic exams? 01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:06.900 We are tentatively considering something like that for maths tests. 01:12:22.000 --> 01:12:22.900 or languages with nor roman scripts 01:12:30.000 --> 01:12:30.900 Regarding taking the photos / scanning and submitting. 01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:50.900 Iman - we don't have arabic, but I think what Kylie said around chinese would apply? 01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:06.900 I see, thanks! 01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:12.900 Bye. Thanks. 01:13:40.000 --> 01:13:40.900 Ha ha - great alternative exam - write your own exam πŸ™‚ 01:13:52.000 --> 01:13:52.900 @Patrick Peacock - have you heard of CrowdMark? Might be useful for you 01:14:08.000 --> 01:14:08.900 Thank you to the presenters, moderator and organisers!! 01:14:15.000 --> 01:14:15.900 Our institution does not allow different type of assessments as alternatives. Any ideas? 01:14:56.000 --> 01:14:56.900 https://crowdmark.com/help/remote-exams/ 01:15:18.000 --> 01:15:18.900 This was a brilliant presentation with a lot of food for thought...thank you so much for sharing your experiences....I am inspired...I hope my institution is too....bye all! 01:15:23.000 --> 01:15:23.900 Thank you for an informative presentation 01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:32.900 Michelle - I'd suggest this is a situation in which policy shouldn't dictate best practice, rather best practice should dictate policy. In the current context any policy that presents a barrier isn't fit for purpose 01:16:00.000 --> 01:16:00.900 Going to have to duck out now guys. Thank you very much for the informative webinar! 01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:02.900 before you all go ... please kindly fill our session feedback survey! http://taw.fi/feedback 01:16:05.000 --> 01:16:05.900 Thank you for an excellent & informative session! 01:16:09.000 --> 01:16:09.900 @Angela T - I have not, thankyou for that link πŸ™‚ I agree, but sadly not my management 😞 01:16:11.000 --> 01:16:11.900 I feel there is a big push to convert all exams to multi choice questions which can compromises learning outcomes. In the absence of a system like ProctorU "watching students" is not possible to ensure security and integrity of exams. My unit uses case-based clinical case studies. Your campus has a pharmacy degree and wonder about the format of exams they use? 01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:25.900 Sorry, one last big questions! 01:16:27.000 --> 01:16:27.900 please kindly fill our session feedback survey! http://taw.fi/feedback 01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:37.900 Thank you, Kylie, Jen and Mathew 01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:45.900 @ Kim - agree. 01:16:46.000 --> 01:16:46.900 If you are doing the exam in your LMS, you don't beed to limit to Multi-choice. 01:16:51.000 --> 01:16:51.900 Thankyou all 01:16:56.000 --> 01:16:56.900 Thank you! 01:16:59.000 --> 01:16:59.900 ^ store your Qs in a Question Bank (instead of directly into a quiz) - then you can randomise the Q order which makes it harder to cheat 01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:00.900 @tim yes 01:17:01.000 --> 01:17:01.900 i don't think it is necessary to cope with covid19. 01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:15.900 moodle has lots of question types that are auto marked. 01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:34.900 but you can get students to do other assessments in invigilated contexts. 01:17:40.000 --> 01:17:40.900 Sorry, I didn't't mean your institution, I meant in this situation where timeframes are short for moving to an online platform. 01:17:59.000 --> 01:17:59.900 ^ Another tip I picked up was to duplicate questions but change the details (e.g. names) which makes it harder for students to realise the questions are the same when they're trying to help each other. 01:18:13.000 --> 01:18:13.900 Well moderated - Kylie, Jen, and Mathew 01:18:43.000 --> 01:18:43.900 @Angela - works well, pretty easy 01:19:27.000 --> 01:19:27.900 Good MC questions are hard to design! 01:19:41.000 --> 01:19:41.900 @Tim - agreed 01:19:47.000 --> 01:19:47.900 Thanks again - great session πŸ™‚ 01:19:54.000 --> 01:19:54.900 I don't ask questions... I ask for an interpretation of a situation and a clinical solution. 01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:00.900 Best to use analytics over time to refine test bank 01:20:13.000 --> 01:20:13.900 There may be more than one solution to a clinical situation 01:21:09.000 --> 01:21:09.900 It has stumped our Ed support team 01:21:25.000 --> 01:21:25.900 There are some decision tree tools that might be able to be modified for assessment purposes 01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:26.900 Thanks for sharing your expertise - Great session. 01:21:33.000 --> 01:21:33.900 You can do basic graph-plotting questions in Moodle using the drag-drop markers question type. 01:22:00.000 --> 01:22:00.900 Yeah you're definitely cutting out! 01:22:04.000 --> 01:22:04.900 Jen breaking up 01:22:05.000 --> 01:22:05.900 @kim - if you have moodle - maybe try loodle lesson with branching or a online scenario based approach. these could be invigilated using proctoring. 01:22:08.000 --> 01:22:08.900 Sound is breaking up... Your mic has fallen appart Jennifer The marks are not really heavily allocated to the answer but the rationale and process followed in critical thinking and clinical reasoning. 01:22:09.000 --> 01:22:09.900 THANK YOU Jennifer - you've been awesome! 01:22:16.000 --> 01:22:16.900 https://www.une.edu.au/current-students/my-course/examinations/olx-project 01:22:27.000 --> 01:22:27.900 Kylie Day remains my hero - thank you all, byeee!! 01:22:30.000 --> 01:22:30.900 Thank you very mcuh. Have a good evening. 01:22:36.000 --> 01:22:36.900 Thank you Jennifer, Kylie and Matthew! You have all been wonderful! 01:22:38.000 --> 01:22:38.900 We've investigated using "numbas" a bit and you have flexibility in awarding marks to steps and process. 01:22:41.000 --> 01:22:41.900 Stay well and be safe everyone! 01:22:45.000 --> 01:22:45.900 i am loosing conenction 01:22:47.000 --> 01:22:47.900 Thank you Jennifer and Kylie! Very much appreciated! 01:22:48.000 --> 01:22:48.900 Thanks everyone πŸ™‚ 01:22:53.000 --> 01:22:53.900 Thank you 01:22:54.000 --> 01:22:54.900 Thank you so much 01:22:58.000 --> 01:22:58.900 Thanks Ladies thanks Mathew 01:22:59.000 --> 01:22:59.900 Thank-you everyone! New Zealand is going into lockdown in 2.5 hours - yikes! Thankyou!!! 01:23:00.000 --> 01:23:00.900 Thankyou all it was great 01:23:01.000 --> 01:23:01.900 thanks Thank you! Great session! Thanks all 01:23:04.000 --> 01:23:04.900 Many thanks! Really enjoyable and informative! This has been a useful informative session. I have used online exams in the past..and set them up in 3 sections to enable me to randomise similar groups of questions.. section 1 was MCQ and true/ false, Section 2 was short answers and section 3 was case studies. This worked well with marking as well Cheers, thanks everyone! 01:23:06.000 --> 01:23:06.900 Thank you! 01:23:08.000 --> 01:23:08.900 Thanks Kylie, amazing 01:23:11.000 --> 01:23:11.900 Thanks so much Kylie and Jen πŸ™‚ 01:23:19.000 --> 01:23:19.900 Thank you again 01:23:27.000 --> 01:23:27.900 Thanks Maria 01:23:34.000 --> 01:23:34.900 Well done guys and thanks 01:23:36.000 --> 01:23:36.900 WHat is your next webinar about? 01:23:38.000 --> 01:23:38.900 UNE edtechers are cool 01:23:42.000 --> 01:23:42.900 No pressure, how quickly does it go up on the website?