Sally Jordan 7:02 PM I can hear both the room and the webinar. Almost there and off we go! 7:03 PM Mathew Hillier 7:03 PM recording has started :-) Sally Jordan 7:04 PM thanks Mathew. Can everyone hear OK? Maria Indrawan-Santiago 7:04 PM yes Lorraine Gearing 7:04 PM yes thank you Mathew Hillier 7:04 PM i can. :-) gvm 7:04 PM me too Sally Jordan 7:05 PM to those in the webinar, if you have any questions comments, please can you type them into the chat box and I will ask them either at the end of the keynote or in the afternoon's panel session. ..and we will be on Twitter all day. #AssessmentHEconf 7:08 PM - Renee Denham (Griffith University, Australia) joined the Main Room. ( 7:08 PM ) - Renee Denham (Griffith University, Australia) 7:08 PM Sorry I'm late, tech issues. Sally Jordan 7:08 PM so do we agree that we have just tinkered at the edges? Mathew Hillier 7:08 PM more like a slow evolution rather then revolution Sally Jordan 7:09 PM welcome Renee. Lots of technical issues at the seminar venue too! Mathew Hillier 7:09 PM program level assessment is still a big issue in higher ed here. Renee Denham (Griffith University, Australia) 7:09 PM Unsustainable feedback, can you elaborate on what you consider to be unsustainable feedback? Mathew Hillier 7:09 PM some tightly knit program teams have done well but in general assessment is still at the 'unit' level. Renee Denham (Griffith University, Australia) 7:10 PM In my experience I find problem is more getting people to provide adequate feedback to students Sally Jordan 7:11 PM so we think about the barriers.. resistance to imposed change - as a Head of Department that's familiar 7:12 PM Mathew Hillier 7:12 PM IMHO the trends over recent decades towards larger academic departments ('schools' in Australia) through rounds of mergers has led to a dilution of a program level focus for curriculum and assessment of the teaching teams. Renee Denham (Griffith University, Australia) 7:13 PM Centrally imposed change has caused some serious problems at my institution, for example imposing a specific tool to force the faculty to move to online marking and then now they're tied into a tool which isn't the best tool available and because of the 'policy' they enacted for the forced changed it has caused other limitations long term. The only problem with things happening at group level is reinventing the wheel. 7:16 PM Sally Jordan 7:17 PM good point re reinventing the wheel Renee - I will try to raise it Renee Denham (Griffith University, Australia) 7:17 PM We've seen cases of individual 'schools' within the institution all working to find a video assessment solution, each retreading the ground other groups already had, there NEEDS to be some level of communicating common things up to allow for a central effort to find a solution. Tim Hunt 7:21 PM I think that in well understood areas (e.g. assignment handling - students uploading work, teachers grading it on-screen, sending feedback and marks back) having a standard tool across the institution just cuts through a lot of crap, and gives a better experience for students. Lorraine Gearing 7:21 PM At Coventry, we are requiring all course teams (that includes academics, technologist, quality colleagues etc) to develop a course assessment strategy from 16/17, starting with new approvals Tim Hunt 7:21 PM However, for more innovative stuff, centralisation is inappropriate. Renee Denham (Griffith University, Australia) 7:22 PM @Tim, but is there 1 tool that will handle all assessment types? Tim Hunt 7:22 PM No, but it will handle 90% of assessment simply. Sally Jordan 7:22 PM @Tim I agree. We need shared tools and shared experience, but not top down imposition. Perhaps? Tim Hunt 7:23 PM So, don't waste effort on that. Spend the time on the 10% of interesting novel stuff you want to explore. Renee Denham (Griffith University, Australia) 7:23 PM we're seeing a much wider uptake of non standard 'authentic' assessment pieces (less reports / essays) and I expect that'll happen more rather than less, so the old school standard written assessment tasks may no longer make up as high a share of assessment tasks. Sally Jordan 7:25 PM Ah Sue, thank you, [lack of] assessment literacy in staff is SO important. Tim Hunt 7:25 PM Well, I think a generic tool (assignment handling) should be generic. It is no good if it only works with Word documents. It needs to be able to handle any files (some video of your practice, some audio, some supporting files.) Sally Jordan 7:26 PM ..and I don't mean the 120 people in the room in Manchester and the 21 in the webinar room.. though of course we all have plenty to learn 7:26 PM Tim Hunt 7:26 PM Then, you can concentrate on how you want to capture authentic practise to be assessed, without having to worry about how the tutors get access to the files. Renee Denham (Griffith University, Australia) 7:26 PM true, that's why I like (as an institution using Blackboard Learn) Blackboard Assignment (despite so many people still wanting to use TurnItIn) Lorraine Gearing 7:27 PM many tools handle audio, video, and other files - but with the growing challenges in plagiarism we are sometimes between a rock and a hard place with innovative practices Tim Hunt 7:27 PM Except that, it is inherently harder to copy someone else's authentic practice and pass it off as your own. Renee Denham (Griffith University, Australia) 7:27 PM though I think it's limiting feedback options when it comes to video and audio submissions. It is EASY from a tech perspective to associate comments with timestamps on a video, why can't inline marking allow for that style of feedback on those files? Sound Cloud has been doing it for YEARS. Tim Hunt 7:27 PM That could be more important than whether TII can scan the files. Jacqui Lynagh 1 7:30 PM students have a legitimate interest? I would argue they are the main stakeholders :) Renee Denham (Griffith University, Australia) 7:30 PM agreed Mathew Hillier 7:34 PM plus alignment with reward and tenure systems! Sheona QUT 7:34 PM this is so helpful Sally Jordan 7:35 PM @Mathew and Sheona - I agree with you both and will say both things, either publicly or just to Sue. Renee Denham (Griffith University, Australia) 7:36 PM sharing that info can be really helpful though, for example if there are multiple people across an institution running a similar assessment task and one is far better received then the others having access to that information to create a workgroup to share those successful practices with theirs peers is a good move for students. Lorraine Gearing 7:38 PM On a wider scale, we need to influence PSRB to facilitate 21st century assessment methods Renee Denham (Griffith University, Australia) 7:38 PM what about instead of reducing choices to far just providing more guidance around elective selections and having that data mapped across courses, eg they need an elective that fulfils a role from a learning outcome or assessment type (eg group work) to fulfil graduate outcomes? Would mean recording far more detail about courses, but that's not a bad thing from a curriculum mapping perspective surely? 7:38 PM Mathew Hillier 7:39 PM @renee - certainly some better mapping tools can help this happen more effectively than it could in the past ,esp with larger student numbers we have today. Sheona QUT 7:40 PM Thank you for a wonderful presentation. Thanks Matthew and Sally for enabling this. Mathew Hillier 7:40 PM Many thanks to Sue our presenter and Sally too! Mathew Hillier 7:41 PM Please kindly fill our feedback survey. Liberty 7:41 PM Thank you! That was fascinating Mathew Hillier 7:41 PM for online people! Renee Denham (Griffith University, Australia) 7:41 PM This was really great, thanks so much Sue! Maria Indrawan-Santiago 7:41 PM Thanks for organising this! Sally Jordan 7:41 PM I will take the points raised forward to the panel discussion this afternoon and also to the follow up webinar in July. malik 7:41 PM thanks you sue Mathew Hillier 7:41 PM sally - thanks muchly! Renee Denham (Griffith University, Australia) 7:41 PM Wonderful, thanks! Sheona QUT 7:41 PM Looking forward to the follow up ! :-) Renee Denham (Griffith University, Australia) 7:42 PM ditto Mathew Hillier 7:42 PM yes - followup on 13 july :-) Jacqui Lynagh 1 7:42 PM Thanks for organising Mathew and Sally and thanks to Sue. Looking forward to July. Mathew Hillier 7:42 PM Please kindly fill our feedback survey. Chad G 7:42 PM Thank you all Ellen 7:43 PM Thank you Renee Denham (Griffith University, Australia) 7:43 PM spectacular, thanks again Lorraine Gearing 7:43 PM thank you Matthew Mathew Hillier 7:43 PM welcome! Mathew Hillier 7:43 PM Please kindly fill our feedback survey. malik 7:43 PM thanks Mathew Mathew Hillier 7:44 PM @ Sue - many thanks! (incase you can still see this!) Mathew Hillier 7:44 PM the recording of this session will be realised in the next couple of days.